Its very very sadby Pritish Nagaraj, Sep 13, 2007 08:17 AN
Very disappointing day in my life, I'd never thought people can go so cheap for petty politics.
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BE INVOLVEDby Jeffrey Mittal, Sep 13, 2007 08:45 AM
Never just sit and wach this happen. Think globally and act locally. As Swami Vivekanada said " arise and awake" my fellow Hindus. Would any other faith tolerate this. The Indian Media is filled with Hindu Bashers, including this site. So, what can you do?
First BE INVOLVED - not only in posting messages but at the local level, including politics, which has been hijcaked by these pseudo-seculars (read anti Hindu or anti Snatan Dharma) You can sit by, watch and get rolled over or you can stand up for your rights and take back waht is rightfully yours. There will be dangers and challenges. Are you upto it?
2. Instead of following usual (money making) careers such as software, get into jouranlism, even the Indian Beaurocracy to make true cj=hanges, which make Indian cutlure as grat as it is. Tolerance is NOT weakness NOR allowing ourselves to be bullied.
3. Further, as some one mentioned, at least get a basic understanding of the philosohical basis of Sanatana Dharma. There are plenty of resources on the web.
I want to warn you, it does take some effort and time. Above all, take the energy you have built up from reading this and help your fellow man, who believes in the same faith.
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These trators will never succeed. Vedic Civilization can never be destroyedSep 13, 2007 08:28 AM
ASI atheists, other atheist politicians, other unwanted religious faiths are bent upon wiping out our ancient Vedic culture from the surface of the earth. One should ask these idiots if they remember or have any scientific proof of the existence of their forefathers. Photos are not proofs. If they dont, we can easily say that all these idiots dont have forefathers, and they were all mythology. Haha!!
Mythology is again a term coined by British to make us believe that our culture and history are unreal. It was a conspiracy to shake our faith and destroy our Vedic civilization just to convert us all. Now, these traitors are exceptionally following British rules being born in thisholy land. What a shame! Ravana and his army of asuras were even more powerful than these stupid atheists. We all know what happened to them.
They were blown away!
So, these traitors also will never succeed. These idiots will be taught a lesson one day!
As people born in this very sacred land of Bharath (I hate to call it India - a name given to us by the mleccha British), it is our duty to rise and smash these irreligious, atheistic traitors and teach them a lesson. Shame on us if we dont!
Let us all also pray sincerely to Lord Sri Rama to eject such unwanted people from the surface of the earth and protect our pure, spiritually powerful Vedic civilization. HE will definitely come! Let there be no doubt about it!
Jai Sri Ram! Jai Jai Sri Ram!
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No evidence to prove existence of Ram, Centre to SCby sumerendra chauhan, Sep 13, 2007 08:22 AM
The reason why Lord Rama and the Ramayana is so easily dismissed is because no one fears the Hindus. Hindus are seen as cowards because the majority of Hindus will do nothing if something is done against their religion. Most Indians claim to be Hindus but are not in fact Hindus, they go to temples, do their puja but never defend their faith and when other Hindus do stand up to defend Hinduism they are labelled fanatics.
Thus even in India, where the majority is supposed to be Hindu, people can easily stand up and insult Hinduism because they know they can get away with it. Had the Hindus had the same attitude and faith in their religion the way the Muslims have, then no one would dare insult their faith that easily, they would think twice, especially in India. But only in India, so many impotent Hindus live and allow for such insults to take place including MF Hussain's paintings depicting Hindu Gods and Goddesses as naked and having sex.
Shame on the Hindus for allowing such insults to go unavenged! Shame on them for not following the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita which cleary states what is to be done to those who attack your religion!
Shame on India!!! Shame on Indians!!!
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ram sethu bridgeby Mr Abhay Ekbote, Sep 13, 2007 08:30 AM
How can they find evidence of Ram when Ravana's are looking for the evidence. In a country of Hindus, the Ravana's are ruling the roost and causing the greatest harm to the hindus. Appeasement of Minorities at any Cost appears to be their motto to keep their bums on the seats. Lets fight such anti Hindu Pro minorities Ravana's each one in his own way.
This is how Hinduism is systematically being destroyed by the Congis.
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This is how Hinduism is systematically being destroyed by the Congis.
by Ganapati Hegde, Sep 13, 2007 08:47 AM
Through the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Act, Hindu temples and Maths are taken over by state Governments in the name of better administration, while mosques and churches are completely autonomous. This Act allowed the state governments and politicians complete control over the temples and their property. Many abuses are committed by multiple state governments using the power accorded through this Act.
In Andhra Pradesh under Chief Minister Y. Samuel Rajasekar Reddy, tens of thousands of acres of temple lands are sold away leaving temples with little economic basis. This is done without the permission of the local Hindu community. The state government and the endowments department whose duty is to safeguard the temple properties have turned a blind eye to such encroachments or take overs of temple properties. The state government recently went to the extent of regularizing encroachments at nominal prices. These encroachments are often found to be closely associated to various political parties.
In Andhra Pradesh, Hindu temples, institutions and Hinduism itself are illegally targeted by the crusade of the government. Under the Temple Empowerment Act, about 34,000 temples are under government control. Only 18% of the revenue of these temples is said to be given back for temple purposes, while the remaining 82% is used for other things by the government at their discretion.
Vote for BJP and preserve your religion and Cultute.
Jai Shri Ram !!!
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The so called secular organizations are trying to argue based on distorted scientific & historical basesKool, Sunday , September 16, 2007
The issue of ASI filing affidavit in SC that there is no proof of existence of Lord Ram & Ram-Setu, shows how in-sensitive the government is. I don't think, any department of this government has guts to even verbally say the similar remarks about other religions like Muslim or Christians. This gives the impression to common Hindu man that the Hindus are soft target by so called secular political parties & government departments working under their rule, which results in Hindus taking extremist view to register their views & provokes them. So, I urge all those political organizations that please do not ignite Hindus in their own country. It is enough now & the water is going over heads. Please stop it for the shake of GOD in which we all believe in form of Ram, Allah or Jesus.
The so called secular organizations are trying to argue based on distorted scientific & historical bases. I wish to ask them, why they are not consistent in arguing for the issues related to other religions also? Just to give an example (please do not take this as an offense to any religion in specific) that Supreme Court has banned the use loud speakers for making daily 'Azans' in Mosque. Why none of government department act and take corrective actions to stop this? This is just an example to give. There are so many issues like that. Why we are so in-sensitive to only Hindus? Why they are soft target? Please stop this discrimination. Please stand up with Hindus which has given so many good things to this globe & try to wipe out the hatred from society.
Regarding Setu-samundram project, My personal opinion is to stop this project. Even if the bridge is not made by Ram, this is having geo-ecological importance. As a common man like me can understand this, why those people who are supposed to have technical brains can not understand this? There are various other issues for developments like connecting the rivers & create water network across country to prevent water shortage.
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I see minority rule the majorityAswathy Nair, Sunday , September 16, 2007
When you say religion is a private matter, true it is, But in the country do you think only BJP is playing politics. Congress is the biggest religious card player than BJP, in Kerala Kerala-congress is the biggest Christian card player, what about Muslim-leeg . So why only target BJP. I am not at all a supporter of BJP but when I see Kashmir and other place I am sure very soon Hindus will become a minority and then we will see if India will remain a democratic country, and how many of you and your children will sit and talk like this in your TV channel. I always want to come back to that beautiful country , but when I see minority rule the majority and the way our politicians conduct and rule the country as if India is there private property, especially congress and Sonia Gandhi , I feel pity of the people in that country. Only God can save that country.
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Lord Ram & Ramayana - Belief beyond IndiaR.S.Kannan, Sunday , September 16, 2007
Singapore
May I point to my fellow Indians that Ramayana's historical spiritual influence extends way beyond India? The influence of Ramayana can be seen Cambodia. Amongst the many temples there, the Angkor Wat, a very ancient temple, has the times of Lord Ram etched on the walls. Similarly, many countries in S.E. Asia have temples or palaces where the time of Lord Ram has been documented. Thailand is another country where there is abundance of information in Lord Ram’s times.
The ASI has done a bad job. In addition to the resignation of the 2 officials, Ms. Ambika Soni should also resign. Further, the Congress government should make tangible amends to their approach to the majority religion. Their ally, the DMK, is known anti-Hindu party. Mr. T.R. Balu should be asked to step down as well, as he is the primary driver of this insensitive and crude court case.
Instead of staging a road rokos in India, Hindu organisations should quickly document the influence of Lord Ram in Asia and keep the interest alive through cultural and religious programs.
It is pity that parties like Dravidar Kazhagam and its off-shoot, the DMK, are making Hindus in India feel ashamed of being a Hindu.
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Science cannot explain everythingSunday , September 16, 2007
Science cannot explain everything. What if tomorrow, after the project is over, you get enough evidence to show that the setu could have been a man-made one? Can you get it back? Why, for the sake of few crores of rupees, should we dent the faiths of crores of people? Is our society so backward that we fail to respect faiths?
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The war for renaissance of Vedic society is not overv_raja_ram, Sep 15, 2007 1:19 AM
The GOI has agreed to re-alignment because of fear of losing Hindu votes enmasse and losing the battle in the court. Though it is a battle for protection of Ramar Setu may be won, the war for renaissance of Vedic society is not over. Attack on Ramar Setu is only one of the battles in the war by pseudo-secular, anti-Hindu, Indian terrorists to destroy the vedic fabric of our society. The fact that the war is still on is indicated by the fact that the PM and Sonia have not tendered apologies for hurting the faith of Hindus. After admitting error, what is holding them from apologizing? What non-sense it is that GOI says that to err is human but realize it is divine. They did not realize it when people petitioned but the legal and political reality forced them to. The arrogance and high-handedness of the PM and Sonia in not apologizing for the great affront to Hindu society cannot be forgiven.
We need to understand that Sonia and PM are trying to flee the scene because of the tremendous volume of work done Dr. Kalayanaraman et al in proving the historicity of Ramar Setu, the legal battle by Dr. Subramaniam Swamy et al and the convergence of Hindutva forces on the issue. When beating a retreat to avoid a legal and political debacle, those who terrorized the Hindus are trying to walk the moral high road by talking about Communal Harmony and true secularism. They are trying lick up some of the Hindu votes by exploiting the pacifist tendencies by treating the issue as over.
The war on terror by pseudo-secular, anti-Hindu forces is far from over. We don’t want GOI to honour our sentiments "though there is no scientific evidence". Vedic society is not driven by sentiments but by the synergy of faith, reason and unrelenting pursuit of truth. We don’t want Ramar Setu to be protected if there is no historical evidence of it being a place of worship for Hindus over centuries. We have ample evidence to show that Dwaraka, Saraswati, Ramar Setu etc. have sufficient historical and metaphysical reality. And that is precisely why we ask for protection. And there is enough evidence to show that the GOI intentionally terrorized the Hindus by attempting to destroy the place of worship. They tried to turn a blind eye to truth and carried on mispropaganda that there is no evidence for the Setu. Even now, they are preventing the exploration of truth by trying to close this issue out of fear of legal and political debacle.
If we publicly debate the erroneous beliefs of Muslims or Christians either scientifically, philosophically or historically, we would be arrested on the grounds of disturbing communal harmony. But the GOI officially makes statements such as lack of evidence for existence of Rama or Ramar Setu. They have continuously terrorized Hindus by publishing on their web site the progress of the project when Hindus were fighting it through peaceful means legally, socially and politically. We first need to demand an unconditional apology for this act of state terrorism against Hindus by trying to destroy a historical place of worship. We need assurance that Hindu places of worship will not be destroyed by any State or Central Government. What if the GOI tomorrow undertakes a road project cutting through Govardhan Hill? Do we have to prove to ASI that it was "manually" placed there or that there are human bones.
Second, we should call for freedom of speech to rationally analyze all the religions including Christianity and Islam just as the GOI made "pseudo-scientific" statements about Hinduism.
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It is an act of state terrorism against Hindus to destroy Ramar Setuv_raja_ram, Sep 14, 2007 12:03 PM
There is ample evidence to show that Ramar Setu was worshipped through Indian history by Hindus and especially Tamils. So it is an act of state terrorism against Hindus to destroy Ramar Setu. This is as violent as attack on Bamiyan Buddha Statues by Taliban and we should project it as such to international community if the GOI does not stop terrorism.
Now, there is no historical evidence what so ever for the existence of Biblical Jesus and there is evidence to the contrary. There is no historical evidence that Quran is a revealed text and there is evidence to the contrary. Let the GOI answer if it is okay to offend their icons on this basis. Just because they are a vote bank, they get all support and reservation to top it. And just because the Hindus are introspective, their icons of worship get destroyed and their systems ridiculed.
Just because ASI says, the issue is not closed that Rama is a mythological personality. They offer three reasons:
1. Argument: There are no human bones / fossils in that area. Response: That actually proves that Ramayana is accurate because there was no deaths in that area. Even in places where there were human settlements, we dont see fossils proportionate to population density.
2. Argument: There are no man made artefacts. Response:That actually proves that Ramayana is accurate because there was no deaths in that area. Even in places where there were human settlements, we dont see fossils proportionate to population density. How does ASI expect to see human remains or fossils?
3. Argument: There is no evidence in the structures to show that it is not natural. Response: This is simply not true and ASI cannot say this because it have not done detailed archaelogical study of the place. There is enough evidence to show that it is not a natural structure which has been discussed in adequate detail in the bok on Ramar Setu.
We can do a computer simulation to show that it is not a natural formation but it would be too costly and it is not even the core point. Does the GOI recognize that it has a duty to protect our historical tradition irrespective of whether it believes in Rama or not?
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There is surely something more to itrkohri, Sep 14, 2007 12:24 PM
As a rule any affidavit before it is filed in the court is carefully read and re-read by at least 8 to 10 government functionaries.
I have been a government officer and know from my personal that an affidavit to be filed in the Supreme Court is read, re-read and vetted by the Law Department and the Head of the Department -sometime even by the Law Minister.
I do not think this gratuitous insult to millions of Hindus by pouring ridicule on their faith and religious ethos is the fault of some simpleton wisecrack. There is surely something more to it than what meets the eye.
It is also being rumoured that some high level government official had sidelined he objectionable paras and suggested that these should be deleted.
Still the power-that-be decided not to delete the objectionable paragraphs.
What do you make of it?
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Pardon me, but is not secularism about Govt not interfering in Religious affairs?goodjoke, Sunday , September 16, 2007
Ramachandra Guha,
You have said what other left leaning intellectuals have always said - Religion should be left in private domain and not brought into public domain. Fully agreed. But the problem is that the Non Rightist politicians never practice what they preach.
When you have a entire group of politicians and intellectuals, demanding reservation based on religion , is it not violating this principle? Look at the case of TN, where religious reservation has been introduced for Muslims (yes they may be not so well off) and Christians(who are actually doing much better than rest of population in every social parameter). Why is this not critiqued? Likewise, do politicians who believe in leaving religious debates in private domain, have the right to announce themselves as atheists and publicly ridicule the Gods and Godesses of Hindu Religion in public?
And not to mention Government running of Hindu Temples. Pardon me, but is not secularism about Govt not interfering in Religious affairs? Why should religious institutions be run by people who profess themselves to be secular, irreligious or atheist?
I would like an honest answer from you or your colleagues.It is these kind of contradictions and blatant hypocrisies that aid the Hindu Right to gain more mileage and more popularity. People expect fair treatment and consistency and not hypocrisy. If you really believe that religion and governance should be separated 100% (and I too believe that), let us show it in action. Starting from freeing Temples from Govt control.
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The new Ravana of our timesraj yashwant, Sunday , September 16, 2007
Karunadhi is the new Ravana of our times. He denies the existence of Ram which is what the actual Ravana did when his atrocities reached maximum proportion. That is what is happening In Tamil Nadu today. The demonic forces in the form of DMK and left are ruling Tamilnadu and perpetrating autrocities on the brahmins and weak forward sections of society and creating a litteral hell for nice people to live in Tamil Nadu. All the brahmins and other forward casts are fleeing tamilnadu to save their lives. But one should not fear as Lord Ram will be born again to take destroy DMK and it's demonic forces in the state.
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As long as the present government led by the Congress remains in power, with their appeasement of minorities and vote Bank politics, the truth regarding Ram Stehu would never see the light of the dayJ.N. Kini, Sunday , September 16, 2007
Ramachandra Guha, makes a good TV savy " historian " but unfortunately does not make any sense when commenting on matters of the Hindu Gods and the faith. His conclusion that Ram is not acknowledged in South India takes the cake. The historian should have gone into the details of names of Rameswaram, Dhanushkodi, Ramapadam etc., But then again, what is there in a name, one might ask. Most of the names of places in India, are derived from either events local to the place or topography. The Ram Sethu in the interest of the majority of Hindus should remain just that as a matter of faith of the over eight hundred millions of Hindus.Apart from being the majority, Hinduism is what binds India together inspite of being a multilateral society. It is only in recent years (comparatively) thanks to the Dravidian Political movement, where in people were misinformed regarding Ram, specially in Tamil Nadu. To suit them, the DMK made Shri Ram a subject of aryan invasion over the dravidians. As long as the present government led by the Congress remains in power, with their appeasement of minorities and vote Bank politics, the truth regarding Ram Stehu would never see the light of the day. It would meet the same fate as Dwarka and Ayodhya.
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Your historian got it all wrong.Mohan Nair, Sunday , September 16, 2007
It is factually incorrect to say that Sr Ram is not revered in South India . Your historian got it all wrong. It will be better if the participants stick to truth while discussing sensitive topics.
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Don't think that the science we have today can explain everything.MPReddy on Sunday , September 16, 2007
For those Scientifically Einsteins and politically Sardarjis who were denying the existence of Rama sethu... First of all do you have scientific evidence to deny it? Don't think that the science we have today can explain everything. Through the ages humanity have lost many ancient arts and sciences. To name a few, we lost ancient metallurgy, pottery, weaponry etc.. Can you bring them back with your so called science? These mentally retarded & corrupted people cannot mutilate truth into a 'false' by shouting loud. Rama is God and his creations are much above the understanding of human beings.
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It is not uncommon to see archeological "evidences" being tempered, tampered and manipulated beyond recognition to suit the thinking of present rulers
Sunday , September 16, 2007
Forward looking intellectuals and journalists" are exceedingly keen to suggest that the past glories and pains should not in any way come to the present material existence and growth and emotions should give way to plain rationalism. Nothing can be more foolish than this. You can carry this logic only to some extent. After all human beings are not made up of just flesh and bone. What you call as "negative emotions" that hinder the present material existence and growth are just the opposite side of the coin i.e. "positive emotions" like intense human relationsships, respect for others and relaionship between humans and environment which Hinduism has ardently stood for. To detach emotions fully from human beings is stupid and impractical idea. If the idea of plain rationalism is to be adhered to, then all the elderly people who do not contribute to the society and sick people with no hope of recovery with the existing medical facilities should be done away with like what Hitle did.
And stories of yesterday's "scientific theories" becoming unscientific after a few years is not uncommon. This is not to deride the scientific advancements in toto. Further it is not uncommon to see archeological "evidences" being tempered, tampered and manipulated beyond recognition to suit the thinking of present rulers.
Every one knows who the real culprits are in offending affidavit drama. But the ruling UPA political establishment is too shy to admit this.It is not Ambika Soni or the law Minister. The two culprits are M.Karunanidhi and T.R.Balu Minister for Shipping and transportation.
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Let us have a RAMRAJYAsethuraman, Sunday , September 16, 2007
This govt. which is backed by the left, DMK (a minority govt. at the state), RJD, and other parties which really do not represent the real majority, since they totally represent only about 40%, of the votes cast decide the fate of our country.we have seen how MR Karunanidhi -the CM, only interested in advancing his family interest, which was throughly exposed very recently and who does not care for the interest of the hindu population and their sentiments.i only wish these irrelevant parties vanish.how can these people play with the sentiments of a vast majority of poor Hindus, a majority have been silent spectators.let us awake and throw these people, and let us have a RAMRAJYA
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Stop copying west and find out our soul.Dr Vinod, Tuesday , September 18, 2007
When we stop copying west and find out our soul.
Real Gandhi was not a secularist he declared you cannot take the soul and keep the body alive. That is what exactly todays congress is doing. For vote share and to hung in power under the proud leadership of a foreign person cong lost the right to exist. Cong is expired.
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